Ableton-Beta-Nutzer hier? Votet gerne mit

[ksoa]

Hi ihr lieben Ableton Nutzer, wenn ihr auch findet, dass es an der Zeit ist, dass Ableton ein massives Upgrade seines "Session Views" bekommt, votet gerne mit im Beta Forum. Dort habe ich grade noch ein Feature Request gemacht mit dem Namen:
"Show Progress of the Clips playing in Session View IN the Clips, not below them" (L11-SUG-3025)
Mein Vorschlag: Dass die Clips endlich mal anzeigen, was sie gerade tun Bisher sieht man ja nur weit unter den Clips die Anzeige darüber, wie der Status des Clips ist. Das ist mittlerweile EXTREM veraltet, wie Bitwig zeigt.
in Bitwig sieht man nicht nur den Abspiel-Prozess, d.h. wie lange der Clip schon abspielt. Sondern auch WAS im Clip eigentlich ist: d.h. Midi Daten und Waveform! Ein unglaubliches Ding, dass da Ableton noch nicht nachgezogen hat (meiner Meinung nach.). Danke! hier der link zu meinem Clip Feature request: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...32&slsid=ada33303-5eb4-4614-a176-47c8cac1d5fc

Und hier der Link zu weiteren 30 massiven Verbesserungen, für die ihr voten könntet, wenn sie euch am Herzen liegen: https://recording.de/threads/ableton-beta-nutzer-hier-votet-gerne-mit.252150/#post-3148610

Beispielbild:

Selbst Touchable Pro ist schon ein massives Upgrade gegenüber Ableton, dort sieht man immerhin den Clip-Progress per Farbe:

 

[muffy]

Meine Features wären:

Export einer Tempospur
VCA Fader

 

[ksoa]

interessant, hab grad gesucht:
VCA fader feature request gäbs auch zum hochvoten

Was von den feature requests wann umgesetzt wird, steht offenbar immer sehr in den Sternen, und Ableton gibt seinerseits NULL Feedback bezüglich einer roadmap.
"bounce in place" ist z.b. seit vielen Jahren Feature request mit hunderten upvotes - nichts passiert
Wenn jemand jemanden kennt, der bei Ableton arbeitet: WARUM ist das so? Hilfe!

Da lobe ich mir kleine Entwickler, wie z.b. den von "Loopy Pro". Der ist EINER, und trotzdem antwortet er auf fast jeden Kommentar/Request, und hat eine public roadmap, bei der die community mitvotet! Absolut großartig.

 

[muffy]

Magst du mal den Link posten?

 

[ksoa]

hier der link zu meinem Clip Feature request: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...32&slsid=ada33303-5eb4-4614-a176-47c8cac1d5fc


hier der link zu vca faders: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=30984c5000dd48d2ad6bc6475b9005a0


und falls du "bounce in place" meintest: das wär das hier: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...db&slsid=f4f89563-5600-4b73-af92-3381d47b36a4

 

[ksoa]

Hier noch ein "kleines" Update, habe mal meine Top 30 Wünsche an Ableton zusammengefasst, samt Beta Forum Links dazu, wenn es schon entsprechende Feature Requests dazu gibt.

1. Implement everything from “Live Enhancement Suite”. Why? Because Ableton shouldn’t need to be enhanced via external programs, Abletons Workflow should be as fast as possible on its own. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=3b1c7d4261fd4e9b896514415472707a
   https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=34c8d5f6a3bb43608cf3ade12f6ceaa1
2. Bounce in Place for Arrangement AND Session View Clips https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={8CAC0965-5B97-4C35-BB79-6BF744CD44DB}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
3. Shortcuts: Let every function of the interface be assignable to a custom Shortcut / Midi assignable, like in Cubase. https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={2E69F9A8-2CB9-45A3-8FFF-5C3DB6421362}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
   https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=8d4bd9cb906540c9836b17bf454d09cd https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=71da77564d01401faa437dbc1faa82c9
4. Integrate what “Shortcut Buddy” (m4l device) does: Being able to load several predetermined combinations of Vsts, FX, or racks into the current track via shortcuts. Same for predetermined types of Tracks, also with Vsts, FX, racks loaded into them. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=045fe9665b9c4a1d8a5dbd096391e55a
5. Mouse-Tools like Scissors, Merge, Line, via shortcuts.: Implement those tools (like in Cubase), and let them be used via fast and simple keyboard shortcuts, which are customizable and midi assignable.
   https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=95198400de09497b8a9e6bf02b44f7b4
6. Split on Grid. Split Midi/Audio-Files based on the current grid. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=5c5d7e8be60d4ff887fd5f6fdb18c3e3
7. Let the sections of the interface be ‘undockable’ and deeply customizable - for example making it possible to have a more classical arrangement view, with the Track-names being on the left side. What about an option to change Clip and Scene-Size vertically! (has been asked since 15+years) Give us an editor mode like Touchable Pro, letting us build our own interface. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=3628146cdb334879ad7287b16a28aa91
8. SHOW CLIP WAVEFORM AND PROGRESS IN THE CLIP IN SESSION VIEW Let us see WHAT is happening WHERE it is happening: IN the actual clip! Not in the Track Status Display far below. This means: a) showing the actual waveform or MIDI data b) showing the progress of the clip, for example by filling up the clip with its designated color, step by step, bar for bar, according to its progress in time. Like in Bitwig, but even better: by letting the play-head also fill up the color of the clip, so the progress is more visible! https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={7FBAFD84-D8CB-4973-9770-F27DA39C5B32}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
9. Improve the Mixer and make it undockable for a third Monitor. Stop hiding “show devices in mixer” in the options.txt, include it in the official settings - and make the view-count of how many devices are constantly shown fixate-able. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=d357404b04464ac4b8531876dcd61704 https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={D9D4F4D6-0000-43CB-8EE3-E67D106EF4C5}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
10. Drastically improve the Looper Plugin by getting rid of it, making it a MODE of Abletons Session View. Since LIVE is supposed to enable Live musicians, it should be AT LEAST as powerful as a basic hardware looper, like the RC505. Which means: Letting us see each and every looper which is running at the same time. Let us see the waveform, let us see the midi data, let us see the timing-progress. This should be more than a regular Plugin, it should be a fundamental play-mode of Ableton. Like: A customizable Looper-Interface like Loopy Pro (!touchcontrol even with gestures, incredibly intuitive), where armed Tracks are addressed like you’re using the Multi-purpose-button of the looper, including possibility of audio-overdub. Then, also showing us each layer of the overdub, and have any Audiosignal already in the clip-view, not via some weird Drag&Drop Mouse-Action, like it’s the case with the looper plugin. https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={9C9F08A8-CB8F-4FAD-BEA4-1F7DBFE851DE}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1 https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={091AFD1A-1C08-4BEA-84AB-EF5C743CD821}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1 https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={7F9698B3-D78D-4EC1-A64C-AE803A416799}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
11. Audio-Overdub in Clips.
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=9c9f08a8cb8f4fadbea41f7dbfe851de
12. Let users predetermine length of recorded clips. via shortcuts, midi assignable
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=8fdc1d2bd83c4c1996d43ad26e9096bd
13. Let users predetermine clip-specific quantization for the next AUDIO and MIDI recording, and post-recording, via shortcuts, midi assignable.
14. Clip Gain Line to change and see clip gain in arrangement view https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=8fa277b5b4274edbab9b7dc66077276c
15. Improve the Browser, including customizability, normalize preview of audio, include ARA support https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=9e810f31fee845dd97e867068c39012b
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=d1b1549ce792407a96572ba04641170e
16. get rid of the ASD files or put them in ONE folder.
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=0cec1bdf541243b7821e1d5a0ceb8a3a
17. Multi-Monitor Support (3+) https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=21448c809cec43dd85e6e6a1a1d049e4
18. Full dedicated Touchscreen Support: A Touchscreen Mode which transforms Abletons Interface into something like Touchable Pro, Loopy Pro or better. Bitwigs touch-sub-menu with gestures is also a wonderful example for touchsupport. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=7890876b1b5e41dc8a3f779a56e7a6e8 https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=f69a7e7cdc0d4a518732f627ca97e55d
19. Implement snapshot-function for different interface-setups, easily accessible via shortcuts. Group/Ungroup should be midi-assignable. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=83a37546a7e24c769ccefcb241462048
20. When several audioclips are selected in the arrangement view on the same track: let users shorten/lengthen them all at once! https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=af3c9efbf7ee4a019f7b5bd4d8a1ff67
    https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&f={0D42C8DA-0D4E-4485-92D6-9218C129A00D}&uf={DF97E70F-57B3-4CCA-B7F1-53C67A96C141}&a=v&t=0&updatefollow=1
21. Improve visibility and accessibility of Clip and Track Automation / envelopes: Like in Cubase, you should be able to show all lanes of Track Automation simply by rightclicking “show all used automation”. No more scrolling through empty-non-used parameters! No more manual adding of Track-Lanes to show additional used automation! And seeing ALL Automation, not hiding Midi CC /pitchbend etc into a clip-detail-view, but letting us edit them in the arranger too. Also: Being able to see several automation lanes within the clip-detail view. Like Bitwig does. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=5cc173fd60994493a4756272cba76a70 https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=08e2f3058b404b70afc24fcb40734c22
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=5f0076625da74c549216bcf39e12ac2b
22. Better visibility of automation lanes: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=ff40fe30569c4f2eacc5e4ebcb0b221c
23. Showing midi cc (modwheel etc) in arrangement view automation lanes. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=1dcd771feea54345846a91af0973f859
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=aecf783ad6bf422a8f97ceed84c0b964
24. Option to show and edit automation/envelopes in piano roll clip view https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=16e74b6399ff4d4b859779148b7a401e
25. Drastically improve the Piano Roll editing functions, slice notes, glue notes, chopping on grid, https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=8e858520ff4048839f463ccea717e48c
    https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...b4d803&slsid=7f4679e4a5cd42a7a17a033aaadff783
26. Make better use of Piano roll space - including turning automation on/off and showing it all https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=ffc834fcc33c4eb5b232a0419cad6f9b
27. Show Chords in the Clipview/PianoRoll: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=055e365fa2c348518c89fa825f32e3cd https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=739ac9e890ea4af09f24d268a9dfdeb9
28. More intelligent up-and-down-scaling of automation, like in Cubase.
    https://ableton.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=e9f24affa2c34675919dc9ebf2c3611d&uf=6dd3348d49454d2798001fe571da7237 https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=a0613bf5a0ff470e80d265e9ee323ee6
29. Multi-Midi-Editor (being able to see several selected midiclips in one window, layered over each other in their respective colors.) https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=c162d9873f2a4b3b932a418bfe57295f
30. No more latency for audio-recordings with monitoring set “on” = automatically recording into a track with no latency. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=8173004ce98f448380685efdb6045841
31. Automatic Normalization of Audio as optional Setting (freshly recorded or imported audio automatically gets normalized to a specific value). And: Quick-Command for Audio-Normalization. https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=c87d596155a34c87b300d3204bfa06c1
32. vca faders: https://ableton.centercode.com/proj...bf2c3611d&uf=30984c5000dd48d2ad6bc6475b9005a0
33. Add the function to open the "main" VST Plugin of selected Track via shortcut! "Ctrl+Alt+P" is useless. It's only working after having opened the plugin manually by clicking, which has to be repeated everytime you switch tracks.

 

[muffy]

Was von den feature requests wann umgesetzt wird, steht offenbar immer sehr in den Sternen, und Ableton gibt seinerseits NULL Feedback bezüglich einer roadmap.

Danke! Ich hatte mal ne Support-Anfrage zu "meinen" beiden Wünschen geschrieben. Die Antwort war auch eher zurückhaltend. Aber gerade Live könnte sich mit den o.g. Wünschen, soweit sie umgesetzt würden, total in eine andere Liga katapultieren. Also u.a. weg vom "Elektro Spezialisten" zur Full Feature DAW und ordentlich Zores in Richtung CB, PT und S1 geben.